Me and my sidekick here, she just kicked me in the side. We've all seen so many bad divorces, right? In this intensely divided moment, one of the few things everyone still seems to agree on is Dolly Parton—but why? I've been watching you all night from across the room. I'd love to ask you about Porter Wagoner. He was a magical character, because those rhinestone suits made him twinkle. From Afternoons with Jesse Mulligan, 3:06 pm on 18 December 2019. Yeah, that's natural, because it was his show. That's how you learn.". He just did that out of anger though I think. You love everybody and just listen. Here is the Top Singing Duo in the country music field, ladies and gentlemen, Porter Wagoner and Dolly Parton! Here's how it went down. Way too many things to ever untangle all of that. It wasn't a huge hit, but a couple things happened as a result of Dumb Blonde. I was the lucky guy that got to produce I Will Always Love You for Whitney Houston in The Bodyguard. ... this is a classic abuse story. And huge thanks to the folks at Sony for allowing us to use some of Dolly's early music. As I left his office and began to drive toward my home out in Brentwood, it began to rain, so did I. I cried. At that time, I had money. They begin to tour the country. Nonetheless, in terms of the task at hand, of introducing Dolly to a new audience ... Now I want you to meet the beautiful little lady on our show, and she gets more popular seems like each week. It's more complicated than that. You write in your autobiography that the bigger you got, the more threatened he got. People get stuck in the ugly part, but not here. They didn't like me. This song is written, composed and sung by Dolly Parton, released in the year 2003. Country music is getting bigger and bigger these days. Dolly Parton's America was produced, written and edited by me and Shima Oliaee, and brought to you by OSM Audio and WNYC studios with production help from W. Harry Fortuna. You've never liked to hear yourself sing? Jad Abumrad: Now Dolly at this moment. It sounds very much like an abusive relationship. I don't know their personal story. If you look at her discography '69, '70, '71, '72, it's just one song after another after another. It's not as far-fetched as you might think. Taught by Dr. Lynn Sacco, the class is filled with college students who grew up in rural Appalachia, many of whom are the first in their families to attend college. Her family, her own blood, she would turn her back on, to help herself. ... on tour, and Porter said, "Dolly, you need to write some uptempo songs for the show.". I don't know, it was just crazy. Beautiful, talented, but much more conservative, much more modest. He said, "I guess you can go, if I can produce the record." He was my dad's best friend. Dolly Parton and politics have always had an interesting relationship. I'd go home crying. 1 song. She left an influence on me to speak your mind, and if you're hurting, let others know, and if you're loving, let them know that too. For someone who has arguably underestimated her whole career, the lyrics are pretty prophetic. I couldn't eat. I just told him that I loved him and I appreciated him. Before we go, one more word on that song. This was a moment when women could finally leave. She performs the song on TV. In fact, I didn't even know that stat, but I was standing there when she was singing it and her mom walked over to me, she said, "You're witnessing greatness right now.". “I think of myself as a woman in business. The public radio host saw something in the iconic country singer — the way she's composed of contradictions — that seemed somehow revelatory of the country as a whole. ... which he produces. Did you have any idea of the worldwide impact, that it's still the number one recorded song by a female artist of all time? Thank you! We just were not happy. We started doing duets. Women were on the shows as decorative objects, as, "Here's a little song from our pretty little girl singer.". On the other hand, she refuses to answer questions about President Trump, or any question on politics period. Porter felt the need to speak directly to the studio audience. I remember her scribbling. That was Dolly's new job. We'd fought. As she was telling me this, I was reminded of something that journalist Robert Oermann had told us on the phone. It was mandatory that they take their costumes off, get a cup of coffee, and gather up in the control room and watch what they had just done, almost as if it were like a game tape from a football game. This is Dolly Parton's America. We were going down the road on the bus and she's writing Jolene and I'll Always Love You in no time at all. I just would sit for hours in that little room and write songs and play. Dolly Parton's America. Dolly Parton's America. She describes it in terms that I was like, "Oh, I remember that feeling.". This is your show, remember. Forgiveness? Dolly was like, "No, you have to do the third verse. You're 21. Who was he at that time, for those of us-. Let me get a manager and a producer to do some other things outside of what we're doing. He worked with Porter toward the end of his life. ... who were in Nashville trying to make it. Episode one of Jad Abumrad's nine-part podcast Dolly Parton's America … But where did she grow up? That's my favorite part of the song, (singing). How about it? The suit itself is about 10,000 three or four hundred dollars. She's thanked me more than once, making jokes about, "It bought me my house here and got me my this there.". Side note, are you still in contact with Kevin Costner, by any chance? This is David Foster. Now speaking of claiming and owning oneself, there are a million moments that you could point to where Dolly did that, but one in particular that came up a bunch of times in our interviews happened in 1970. It's amazing to me that even in that moment it becomes a song almost immediately. He said, "Hey, we may try that." I'm so sorry I did that." People that they could fantasize about, they thought that's what women consumed. You're not talking to Porter. He sued me because of what I had done to his show. We get into the studio. Two more live songs we loved by two … Traveling Creatures: live music from the series. Of course, but it's the understanding that I guess I'm asking a question about. It's actually Kevin Costner. I wanted to have crossover records. It's one of the go-to songs. Dolly and I are going to do all duets this week. Porter and I had a love-hate relationship. From Her Best Little Whorehouse In Texas Soundtrack. Really, there's probably about as many answers as there are people asking questions about that. Special thanks to Peter at Harper Collins, Lynn Sacko, Danny Nozell, David Dotson, Sam Haskell, Teresa Hughes, Pat Walters, Lulu Miller, Suzie Lechtenberg and Soren Wheeler, and as always, thank you to my dad. That's Kevin Costner. Dec 24, 2019. Then he just told me that Norma Jean, she was leaving his show. She doesn't like to dwell on this particular chapter, and neither apparently does anyone else in Nashville. This syndicated TV show has been one of the most popular in country music history. Right now I want you to meet the little lady on our show. She says if you scroll through their YouTube performances from 1973-'74, this is when Dolly and Porter have been working together for about seven years, you see these moments. I can't speak for him. In a fractious America, she creates a space where all walks of American life can happily coexist. As soon as the duets got going ... That audience did reach out. It's the story where it's in the first person, she's telling a man to shove it, rejecting the idea that because of how she looks she is stupid. Nothing's working. He claimed that she was now trying to minimize his stake in their production company that they owned together. Not so much out of a sense of loss, but from the pain that almost always comes with change. She lives in a fairy land. I was a serious entertainer. She is talked about openly as one of the great feminist figures of our time, and so I just f Copyright © 2020 OSM Audio. They'd released five albums of duets together. He started writing. I think you'll really like this. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. I talked about it with her back in Nashville in that studio. God was telling me to go. It's just how she wanted to look. Anyhow, I left and Porter sued me for a million dollars. One of Porter's best songwriters, Mel Tillis, was quoted as saying he couldn't keep up. On that squeaky chair. We're going to really enjoy working with you. With his new podcast, Dolly Parton’s America, the Radiolab co-host Jad Abumrad seeks to get to the bottom of what it means to be an American in the 21st century. We can still work within the show. Photograph: Shima Oliaee Three years on, Dolly Parton’s America is the result of much digging, research and time spent speaking to the star herself. Nudie Suits they were called. 1 song after No. https://www.vulture.com/2019/11/wnyc-dolly-partons-america-review.html Dolly wants to do everything that is possible for her to do. I sort of love him for that, despite everything. As for Porter, he went and spent six weeks sitting by a lake by himself. Think about that. There's Joshua, her first number one, Coat of Many Colors, My Blue Tears, Touch Your Woman, Daddy Was An Old Time Preacher Man. When host Jad Abumrad asked her if she thought of herself that way, she said, “No, I do not,” Parton said. In fact, that first show, Dolly's first performance with Porter, after she sang the song Dumb Blonde ... We'll be right back in just a minute or so. You know Miss Norma Jean has been with us for many, many years, had to leave our show, because we work so much on the road and do so many TV shows, to have a little time at home for her personal life. Mighty fine, Dolly. There was no such thing as a female headliner. I said, "Yeah, you've made me mad again. The hero that he is calls up David Foster and goes, "David, I have an idea.". To me, Dolly Parton is the kind of person that I would never trust with anything of mine. That's OSM Audio and WNYC Studios. Dolly told me I think her first road date with the Porter Wagoner Show she came on stage and she got booed. I was talking with Dolly Parton a while ago and we were talking about Miss Norma Jean being gone. She told me in one interview — she wasn't sure if this was true — but she may have written \"I Will Always Love You\" and \"Jolene\" on the same night. I can't stay here as the girl singer forever. He tells her to shut up, and his face definitely falls for a moment, micro expression: rage. I want a individual career. This is how Dolly addressed those rumors in her autobiography. We pick out songs that we think would fit a certain artist, and then we take them and leave them. Maybe not just hers, but so many people. I don't know if it was the same night, but it was on the same cassette that we found. He loves country rock. After Mule Skinner she kind of stops doing that. Kevin Costner actually produced the movie, so he asked David to jump on board to create the soundtrack. We had a special bond. I know you write all kind of songs and all types of songs. Producer Shima Oliaee asked Dolly about this. Either of us were not happy. Is that you guys doing a shtick or is that actual hostility? It was like a marriage of a sort. Dolly's concert-attending fan base is composed of people we don't think of having a lot in common these days. ... Porter and Dolly win Vocal Group of the Year. I been looking for the sunshine. It made me feel better about everything else. You know how you talked about how Dolly paid a million dollars to Porter? Breaking Talents Showcase 1,608,101 views Christine de Carvalho/WNYC hide caption toggle caption Christine de Carvalho/WNYC WNYC's new podcast, Dolly Parton's America, examines the role of the country icon in building social bridges in a divided country. I didn't have a million dollars. They thought women only bought male artists? I said, "Okay, you can.". I didn't come to Nashville to be just part of a duet and to be a girl singer in somebody's group. Accuracy and availability may vary. Dolly Parton's America At the University of Tennessee in Knoxville, we drop in on a history class called “Dolly Parton’s America.” (We borrowed the name for our series!) I'm so little. I have at least two or three songs placed a week. He was great on camera, had a great smile. Gets off the phone with Dolly, runs back to where they're shooting the scene, and says, "Guys, we got to do the third verse, the Porter verse." She shot that right down. No. It is kind of different. In this one, I want to tell the story behind the greatest selling song by a female artist of all time. Maybe the audience revolted. Thanks to our bluegrass trio, Steph Jenkins, Stephanie Coleman, and Courtney Hartman. I had a song out called Happy Happy Birthday Baby that was the best thing I'd had, and it wasn't even considered a hit at all. I was glad to do it. When he hired me as a singer, he was just hiring what he thought was a right pretty little girl, but I was a serious writer. ... this is when the advent of color television was taking root in America. You couldn't even begin to describe it all. Porter put together a hell of a road show. Within his show, it wasn't really something I would just stand out and do. He told me how much Dolly didn't want to hear herself or see herself in the beginning. My father, she had to stand up to him, like a lot of us women do, to get our way. Stealing might be the wrong word, I don't know. He actually pushed the issue that, "No, this is what we do. I'm going to sit on this pillow. Anyway, he calls David and he says, "You know that scene we're going to do at the end of the movie, the big scene with Whitney? He is one of the main reasons that I Will Always Love You became the love song of the century. We're going to try. They're dialogs, male-female dialogs. Porter Wagoner and his band would come on. I was young and silly. She sounds Minnie Mousey. We had to go back in and record it again. Thank you, gang, for helping me open up the show. He knew how to talk to that audience. That is mighty, mighty nice. \"All of these different communities, on either side of the 'culture wars,' all standing together, shoulder-to-shoulder, singing the same song.\"  NPR's Ari Shapiro spoke to Abumrad about reexamining Dolly's cultural legacy, including her overlooked musical genius, her ability to exist as a container for so many ideas about America and her unexpected rejection of the label \"feminist.\" Hear the story in the audio player above and read on for an edited transcript of their conversation. I thought, "He's not going to listen." I swear to you on my life, as I said that, the sky cleared up, it stopped raining, the sun came out, and before I got home I had completely written the song called Light of a Clear Blue Morning. More from him coming soon. Throughout the years people have speculated that there might've been more going on between them behind the scenes. This is Dolly Parton's America. The authoritative record of programming is the audio record. Porter was just capsized after all those years of being the king. Can you? On the next episode of Dolly Parton's America ... We pilgrimage to Dollywood and end up in a Tennessee Mountain time warp. I'm Jad Abumrad. Country star Dolly Parton is more than an entertainer, National Public Radio host Jad Abumrad says. Dolly Parton's America Podcast producers dish on Dolly by WBIR Channel 10. Parton dismissed the idea that she’s a feminist in October, on the first episode of the podcast Dolly Parton’s America. Back to his hotel room, he calls Dolly, he's all excited. She said, "I can't wait to hear her sing that part, the third verse." Dolly Parton: I was a young girl. I wanted to really do more, because I saw that people were paying attention. I think everybody in this town understands the art of a good hillbilly divorce. In one year of the release of this song, she reportedly made three times that. After Mule Skinner, she says, her songs are totally different. Yeah. Dolly Parton's America, out on Tuesday, is a nine-part podcast series dedicated to the American icon and her legacy. I could tell, and he could touch my hand and squeeze it a little bit. Share this on Facebook (Opens in a new window), Share this on Twitter (Opens in a new window), I Will Always Leave You Dolly Parton's America, Transcripts are created on a rush deadline, often by contractors. That was my gift, one of my gifts, for thanking him too, because see, I never knew, how do you ever know how to thank somebody or what you owe somebody, because who knows, had it not been for Porter, I may not be sitting right here in this chair right now, because I'd like to believe I would've made it, but because I felt bad that I had to go, but I knew I had to go and I was stifled, and by that time if I'd have stayed forever I might've missed my chance. We're doing this.". You've made me a lot of things. This is a song that hit number one in three consecutive decades. First of all, Buck Trent is right. We'll tell the rest of that history after the break. Just off the top of my head, some reason, I'll see what I can play, yeah, I said, "How about the Mule Skinner Blues?" At the time, as she describes in the interview, she was trying to make it as a performer, but the label that she was hooked up with, Monument Records, just thought that her voice ... My voice, for people that are familiar with the way I sing, my voice is pitched real high. She was like, "Oh, that's great news. One other song comes up, they record it, it doesn't quite work. Yeah, I think so. She's like ... Like, "Nope, I'm good, you son of a bitch.". The other version that's sometimes told is that he and Norma Jean had had an affair and things had gotten complicated. Honestly, I was previously married, and when I initiated a divorce, the way that she talks about that moment, again this is not to suggest they had a romantic relationship, but that there was some sort of this almost spiritual tether between them that she was deciding for her own survival she was going to leave. Correct. I want to do the song I Will Always Love You, and you'll do the big version at the end and it'll be great." \"I Will Always Love You\" is a song that hit No. The story goes, as every Dolly fan knows, she walked right into his office, told him to sit down, and she just sang it to him. The real money was in performing your songs, not just writing them. She was touched by something. It's the wrap-up of the whole song. I have a theory that one of the reasons that you can have the crazy broad appeal that you have into so many different communities that normally hate each other is because of those acts of forgiveness. There's so many answers to that, Ralph. I hope that you have all that you ever dreamed of. An Ambitious New Podcast. We call the boom and I moment. We just went like that. He's going to play on their next duet, so he's suggesting, like ... ... "Why don't you drop your guitar, because now as the man, I'm going to be the one strumming the strings." Sweet country woman, you want to help me do a duet. ... Dolly would churn out four consecutive number ones in roughly a year. We had production help from W. Harry Fortuna. I looked so different than her. Debra Wagoner says she was inspired by what Dolly did, even though it was her father on the other end of it. Yeah. Thanks for all of the fine cards and letters and things that you have wrote to her. Telling anyone who would listen that Dolly Parton was a horrible person who he wouldn't trust further than he could throw. When it got to where I was wanting to have other producers, I wanted to expand. During that time, my husband Carl and I had bought our first house. Norma, I mean Dolly, was just killing the song. Hosted by Jad Abumrad. All rights reserved. She says when she got to his office, she got out her guitar, sang him a couple of songs that she thought would be great for Norma Jean. He spoke with producer Shima Oliaee. I clearly remember going back to my room. I felt like it was all right. Dolly Parton’s America is a production from OSM Audio and WNYC Studios. There was a den and a big fireplace. The singles that she releases before Mule Skinner Blues are from the voice of little girls. I do know for a fact, and this tells it all right here, that one of the last people he saw on this earth was a girl named Dolly, and she was there holding his hand by his bed and giving him water. We have partnered with Apple Music to bring you companion playlists to each of the episodes, and we're updating it every week. I'd say, "I know, but this is my damn life, and we're not talking about the show, I'm talking about my life. From what I understand, you run over to his office with your guitar, thinking, "He must just want me to write a song for his female singer.". That was to me the thing to do. Accuracy and availability may vary. In which there's some kind of tension between lovers. Norma Jean's whole vibe was very un-Dolly. He had a great ear for music. He wanted to impress the musicians with that lick. I don't care about talking about it, because most people will think I'm bitter at Dolly. Sophie Fatu 5 years old Sings “My Way” Simon Wants Her To Date His Son America's Got Talent 2018 - Duration: 4:58. We've got to do something." The podcast hosted by Jad Abumrad and produced by Shima Oliaee of New York Public Radio station WNYC, has … Dolly Parton has been one of America’s sweethearts – a country icon for the ages – for decades. He told me that. Dolly Parton: You didn't do that as a woman, and you didn't do that as a professional person, and it was his show, not mine, until I went out on my own, until like I say, until I claimed and owned myself. Who he almost always introduced that exact same way. Third, many Dolly-ologists, like Jocelyn Neal, Professor of Music at the University of North Carolina will tell you, that this song marks a turning point. It's interesting to consider that this was a moment in America when the divorce rate was doubling, when you had all of these no-fault divorce laws popping up all around the country. I couldn't think. I mean, the female singer was sort of a decorative aspect of the male show, and that didn't leave a lot of place for someone like Dolly, so she perhaps had to sort of play the male game for a while. What I find most amazing about this story is how it ends. She grabbed that off of that rhinestone suit where he had the plastic with the ticket on it for the dry cleaning. Let's give her a great big welcome as she sings a song that she had a big hit on called Dumb Blonde. That's how I do things. Linda Ronstadt had not done the third verse. Male: June 7th, 1967. Original music from Nathan Fake, Courtney Hartman, Steph Jenkins, and Stephanie Coleman. Because I love Dolly, she's a beautiful lady in every respect, but it don't matter if my mama is working on my show, mama's going to do what Porter says. He loves country music. I'm not trying to take anything from you or me. This is Debra Wagoner, Porter Wagoner's daughter. … Dolly Parton was born in Sevier County, Tennessee. I want my own show. Then as now they perceive the audience to be female, and they believe that women don't buy other women. He had had this show for years. In fact, in 1967-68, the country music industry was like, "We're getting so big that we need our own awards show." 1 in three consecutive decades [and] almost did it a fourth time. Also, he had great records and great songs. We look forward to having you around a long, long time. https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/culture/article/mark-e-smith-the-fall-america I sign the check. On the TV, you begin to see a different Dolly emerge, a Dolly we know. Dolly was just one of them wave of songwriters ... A thousand a week come through Nashville. The point is, as Dolly was being introduced to the world, that world was expanding. Forgiveness is all there is. Porter had the whip, a real whip in the studio, and he was popping the whip. You wrote so many fine songs and sing so pretty. Let's go to 1973. We were recording the song live, because the director wanted that live feeling. I was basically holding back in the early days. ... it's just clear that in this new kingdom of country music, they are the royal couple. Now keep in mind this is the same year that the Beatles released Sergeant Pepper, so you can hear that the label is trying to shove her that direction. He didn't know that. Dollitics. She didn’t leave this area until the age of eighteen, when she moved to Nashville, Tennessee. He wasn't expecting me to be all that I was either. This is Porter being interviewed by Herb Sudzin on his show Sudzin Country. Dolly Parton’s America was produced, written and edited by me and Shima Oliaee. During that time, Porter's solo stuff was hovering around the 40s. WNYC's new podcast, Dolly Parton's America, examines the role of the country icon in building social bridges in a divided country. Porter had never written before. It was like, "I made you." On the one hand, she wrote 9 to 5, the anthem for working women and the theme song for a movie inspired by a new labor union. Dolly, if you're listening to this, this is David Foster. Wow. I got married a year ago, the 30th of last month, on Memorial Day last year. I think his ego was bruised. I remember I wrote Jolene and I Will Always Love You the same night when we found a tape. And that happened on the same night? Dolly and Porter had been together for three years. November 12, 2019 • Dolly Parton and politics have always had an interesting relationship. Thanks to the folks at Sony Music, the Country Music Association, the team at the Country Music Hall of Fame, Herb Sudzin, Harry Wiland from the documentary Nashville Sound, and the Everett Corbin Collection at the Center for Popular Music. But it does strike you when you look back at 1960s Dolly and 1970s Dolly, and you look at the number of songs that she's writing — I mean, to say she was prolific doesn't even capture it. 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